It’s Winter at the Ashram…

Winter Ashram

Come see our newly designed sim:

So, you wonder, why have we decided to honour this winter season at the ashram?

The simplest answer is many, many reasons. We believe that the winter season is a time to be spent with family and friends – which all of us here in SL are for each other. We at the Ashram provide a space for community to develop beyond the common marginalizations of society. In honouring that, we have decided to hold a space for hot cocoa and cider, snowmen, bonfires, music, and kindness, amongst various other things.

Around the world there are various traditions which are celebrated during the winter season of the northern hemisphere, including Chrismas, Kwanzaa, Hanukkah, Winter Solstice, and various other things of course. We do recognize that it is only winter in the northern hemisphere, but who doesn’t love snow and cuddling by the fireplace in the company of friends?

All of these traditions have similar heart-qualities, which are traits or aspects recognized universally. I’m sure

we could go on forever making a list, but some that we are focusing on are gratitude, kindness, selflessness, faith, unity, cooperation, and fun!

Come to the ashram to learn more by interacting with the various decorations and activities around the sim, as well as spend some time with friends. There may be some gifts around, too πŸ˜‰

If you have a tradition that is not represented at the ashram, please contact Chraeloos Resident and we can arrange it to be included! Yes, this means new things will be added regularly so please come by often!

Thank you for your continued support and sharing this space with us!

Yours truly,
β™₯ The Ashram Team

Read a bit about these traditions below:

Christmas – December 25
This is a celebration held by all Christians and many non-Christians world-wide that commemorates the brith of Jesus Christ. Most often it is celebrated through church services, gift giving, family and other social gatherings, and symbolic decorating. Christmas trees, caroling, David’s star, and hanging

lights are examples of symbols used in decoration for this holiday. It is from this holiday which Santa Claus, Father Christmas, Saint Nicholas, etc. emerged. This figure is a common figure in many Western cultures who brings gifts to the homes of good children on the night before Christmas day, known as Christmas Eve.

Kwanzaa – Deceember 26-Jan 1
This is a celebration held in the United States and Western African Diaspora which honours African heritage, unity and cultura in African-American culture. It was first celebrated in 1966-7. During this week the seven principles of Kwanzaa (Nguzo Saba) are celebrated, one for each day. These are umoja (unity), kujichagulia (self-determination), ujima (collective work and responsibility), ujamaa (cooperative economics), nia (purpose), kuumba (creativity), and imani (faith). A common wish recited: “May the love of family and the heritage we share light the way with happiness and pride for generations to come.”

Hanukkah – 25 day of Kislev (dates change yearly as it

is based on the Hebrew calendar rather than the Gegorian calendar).
This tradition is also known as the Festival of Lights and Feast of Dedication. It is an eight-day Jewish holiday commemorating the rededication of the Holy Temple in Jerusalem. A common symbol is the menorah or hanukiah, a candelabrum of nine candles, one lit each night of the holiday. The ninth spot is usually above or below the rest and is used for practical candle-use, as lighting the eight lights for purposes other than publicizing and meditating upon Hanukkah is forbidden.

Winter Solstice – December 21 or 22 (depends on the year)
This is an astronomical event which has been celebrated by many cultures over history, but these days is mostly recognized by Wiccans and Pagans. It is a celebration honouring the Sun reaching its lowest excursion relative to the equator. For those in the Northern Hemisphere, this is the shortest day of the year, and for those in the Southern Hemisphere, this is the longest day of the year. It represents

rebirth, and is celebrated world-wide in various cultures involving holidays, festivals, gatherings, rituals and other celebrations including all three listed above. Many figures in mythology can be said to represent this time of year, bringing about new crops. It is also related to light winning over dark and rebirth in all it’s aspects.

BURN2 main landmarks to visit 2014

What an amazing event Burn is! And Sunshine has a little area with the World Brain Health Fair of SL too. They are doing daily events there this week. I highly recommend checking it out!

Daniel Voyager's Blog

BURN2 2014 is open until 26th October in Second Life and here are some of the most popular landmarks to visit when exploring the six regions. Click the blue links to teleport to the selected destinations below via SLURL and enjoy! πŸ™‚

BURN2 2014 Map BURN2 2014 Map

Greeters Road

Burn2 2014 Welcome to Burn2 2014

The Man

The Man The Man

The TempleΒ 

The Temple The Temple

The Lamplighter Village

The Lamplighter Village The Lamplighter Village

LIVE STAGE / Temple Stage

Live Stage Live Stage

DJ STAGE / Man Stage

DJ Stage DJ Stage

The Casbah Stage

The Casbah Stage The Casbah Stage

Ranger Outpost

Ranger Outpost Ranger Outpost

And there is so much more to explore on the playa this year! πŸ˜€

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Mental Health Awareness and Meditation

Every month has been made into a commemoration of some kind. May has quite a few national and international holidays ranging from National Brain Tumor Awareness Month to Celiac Awareness Month to Haitian Heritage Month to National Moving Month in the United States and National Smile Month in the United Kingdom. For a larger and more comprehensive list, please go here:

I have chosen to share about National Mental Health Awareness Month.

In recent times, attitudes towards mental health issues appear to be changing. Negative attitudes and stigma associated with mental health have reduced and there has been growing acceptance towards mental health issues and support for people with them.

Despite this shift in attitude, the idea of a mental health awareness campaign is not a recent one. In the late 1940’s, the first National Mental Health Awareness Week was launched in the United States. During the 1960’s, this annual, weekly campaign was upgraded to a monthly one with May the designated month. During this month, National Health America, the main organization which sponsors this event, run a number of activities which are often based on a theme.

Mental illnesses can take many forms, just as physical illnesses do. Mental illnesses are still feared and misunderstood by many people, but the fear will disappear as people learn more about them. If you, or someone you know, has a mental illness, there is good news: all mental illnesses can be treated.

Did you know?:
-About 1 in 5 American adults will have a mental health condition in any given year?
-But only 41 percent of them will receive services?
-About 10 percent of the American adult population will have a mood disorder, such as depression or bipolar?
-And 18 percent have an anxiety disorder, including post-traumatic stress disorder?

Follow this link to see when you or someone you know should receive help. Remember, help isn’t something to be ashamed of!:

One of the breakthroughs in modern psychology and neuroscience has been showing that meditation reduces depression, anxiety, stress, phobias, addictions, and many other impairments to mental health. Plus, it feels good. Fraser Collins says: “It is estimated that we have around 50,000 – 80,000 thoughts a day and that around 70% – 90% of the thoughts we have are negative – thus creating huge levels of stress and anxiety. So the challenge is how we reduce these thoughts?”

The answer is meditation and mindfulness. If you are unfamiliar with how to meditate, please take a moment to read the cutoffΒ below.

If you’d like company, there is a group in SL that is there for support. Visit the Landmark below for more resources and great people.

More info:

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Chrae’s Weekly Notice

Hello everyone! A friendly reminder that the group “Chrae’s Philosophy and Literature” will be closing down. If you haven’t already joined the new group or the new subscribo-matic, please ask Chraeloos for an invite, or search “Creativity; Karma” in search.

**Story-time will be canceled this week due to RL circumstances.**

**Creativity will be trying out a new time. No more event on Tuesdays! If this time doesn’t work we’ll have to figure something else out.**


☯Creativity, Saturday Feb 9 at 9amSLT
Topic: Gaia and Singularity

How is the idea of Gaia – Earth as a conscious being – similar to that of a singularity, and how are they connected?


There is a new subscribo-matic for you all to join. I know my groups pile up fast so if it’s easier for you to join a subscribo please feel free to do so. The LM to the subscribo is:, but you will also be able to click it at my events, as I’ll have one rezzed.


Introducing a new Google+ group:

It will be the equivalent of the SL group “Chrae’s Philosophy and Literature”, and hopefully all discussions will be available on hangouts as well, for those of us who may not be able to get on SL. Please feel free to post any link, thoughts, questions, comments or anything that you feel we would all benefit from.

Also, check out the blog or calender for more updates:


Love to everyone! Namaste, Om Shanti, Sat nam! ☯

Pranayama Intro Notes

These notes were shared on Tuesday Jan. 29. I’m a bit late, but I didn’t get a chance to post them before, so here they are! Enjoy πŸ™‚ Comments are always appreciated.

First of all I’d like to thank you all so much for joining us tonight! Please grab a copy of the intro notes from the candle on the table, join the group, grab a schedule, or leave a donation. Al donations support the sim and more events like his so if you like what you see and want to see more please leave a donation.

Thank you for visiting Peaceful Dragon Oriental Medicine Centre! And a special thank you out to Xandria who made this whole place possible. If you have a suggestion for an activity or an event here, or wish to host here please contact either Xandria Winterwolf or myself.

I just want to remind everyone that none of the information presented here is advice and therefore should not be put into practice without first consulting a professional.

Pranayama is known in yoga and Ayurveda as “breath practices.” Prana means energy, ayam means to extend or draw out. The other common translation is from yama, meaning to control or restrain. The other translation is prawns + ayaama. Ayaama is defined as stretching, restraining, extending and expansion (of dimensions in time and space). Thus, pranayama can mean to e tend and over one one’s normal limitations.

Qi is known in traditional Chinese medicine as energy, and is also controlled and maintained by breathing.

These practices include ways to increase vitality, relaxation, and balancing of energies. Relaxation includes body, mind, and emotions. Last month we talked about our nadi’s, which are influenced by our breath. Today let’s focus just on breathing.

Please keep in mind that not everyone is on the same level of practice. If something we talk about tonight isn’t comfortable for you, DO NOT DO IT!


Notice your breathing. Don’t change it, just notice it. If you are not a meditator, yogi or tai chi practitioner you may not have noticed how shallowly your breath goes into your body. In most people the air only travels halfway into their lungs. This means that our lungs aren’t even filling up all the way, let alone distributing the necessary oxygen to all the parts of our body.

Pranayama is more than just a way of getting more breath into your body. It deals with the whole area of vitality and the pranayama kosha (an energy body, similar to an aura). Though oxygen us a form of prana, pranayama is interested in more subtle corms of energy. pranayama utilizes the process of breathing as a means to manipulate all forms of energy within the body.The air brings with it subtle energies that are necessary for your body to function. The body requires both oxygen and energy to survive. Hence the term, qi, or “vital life force.” Awareness of the breath is a instant feature of both moving (active, asanas) and tranquil (passive, meditation) practices.

It is important here to understand that efficient and healthy breathing is not the same as deep breathing. The speed with which we breathe is also very important, for if we breathe too fast our oxygen is bound too tightly to the hemoglobin molecules so that less is released to the cells.


First off, let’s do a kind of “check-in” to our breath. Please make sure your clothes aren’t constricting for these practices. You may want to undo your belt, take off your shoes, and undo your pants.

How does the breath feel? Smooth or choppy? Deep or shallow? Clear or turbid? Light or heavy? Quiet or noisy? Easy or difficult?

Where do you breathe? Where does it enter? Where does it go? Can you feel the movement within your nostrils, down the trachea, and in your lungs? Do you breath with your nose or mouth or both? Do you feel the movements in your best, back, and abdomen? Can you feel it in your hands and feet?

What part of your body moves with your inhalations and exhalations? Place your hand on your abdomen or chest if you can’t feel any movements sometimes your hands are able to feel more subtle movements.

What is your rate of breathing? How long does it take for you to inhale? Does your exhale match the inhale? How many breathes do you take per minute?

Now that we’ve checked in we can start some breathing exercises. If at any time during these exercises you feel light headed, dizzy, or uncomfortable in any way please stop doing the exercise and return to your natural breathing.

Qigong breathing exercises

Natural breathing is where on inhalation, abdomen expands out wards, and on exhalation, abdomen contracts inwards. Breathing abdominally creates more room for the lungs to expands than breathing with the chest. Of course, when doing physical activity both the chest and abdomen will expand and contract.

In qigong, we practice reversed breathing. We do this in order to gain more control over the breathing muscles and to stimulate qi. This practice is not dangerous if practiced for brief periods of time, but it should not become normal. To practice reversed breathing the abdomen contracts during inhalation, while the chest expands slightly. During exhalation the abdomen expands slightly and the chest contracts. The breath should be deep, soft, and silent. If is is too difficult for you, try only for a few cycles and stop, as this can be dangerous if you can’t get enough oxygen.

Differentiated breathing is common in qigong as the idea is to try practicing as many different ways of breathing as you can imagine. Deep and shallow, high and low, fast and slow. Some practitioners try breathing just into their throats, through their skin, or down into their hands and feet. Any practice such as these should only be practiced for short periods of time until you are more comfortable with me and can then lengthen your practice.

Dan tians breathing is intended to strengthen and cultivate Dan tian qi, health, and inner peace. The Dan tian is the energy centre in the abdominal region, about three inches below the navel and midway to the centre of the body. The exact location varies from person to person, so with your practice you will become more aware of where it is. Usually, the Dan tian will be the region or point where your abdomen expands from. Both the abdomen and lower back will expand with inhalation, and both will contract with exhalation. If you we’re to place your hands on the front and back of an individual it should feel as though a balloon is expanding inside and expanding both sides away from each other with inhalation. This type of breathing will relax the mind and body, decrease unhealthy reactions to stress, lessen anxiety, and massage internal organs. It will also increase the flow of energy, causing the whole body to be more functional.

The last type of qigong breathing we will talk about today is called embryonic breathing. This is considered the most advanced stage of qigong breath. In this practice the breathing will become so slight that it seem to have stopped. An alchemist from the fourth century A.D. Says that the sage can hold a feather in front of the nostrils and it does not move. In some qigong texts it will say to hold the breath for 20 minutes or two hours…of course no one can do that, so what they are referring to is this embryonic breath.

Ayurveda/yoga breathing exercises

All practices of pranayama breathing include four basic techniques.
1. Pooraka (inhalation)
2. Rechaka (exhalation)
3. Antarctic or antaranga kumbhaka (retention of breathe after inhalation, i.e. with full lungs
4. Bahir or bahiranga kumbhaka (retention of breath after exhalation, i.e. with lungs emptied)

Pranayama also has an advanced state of breathing called Kerala kumbhaka, where the pressure in the lungs becomes the same as the pressure in the atmosphere, and respiration ceases.

During yoga practice there is a type of breathing called ujjayi breath, where you make noise in the back of your throat. My yoga teacher likes to call it, baby Darth Vader breath. Basically, it sounds like you’re trying to fog up a mirror, but your mouth is closed. To accomplish this you must open the back of your throat, near the top where your sinuses and nostrils meet your throat opening. This takes much practice, but the idea is to do ujai breath throughout the whole yoga practice.

Another common breathing practice is called Kapalabhati pranayam. It’s type of breathing consists of alternating short, explosive exhales and slightly longer, passive inhales. Exhales are generated by powerful contractions of the lower belly (between the pubis and navel), which push air out of the lungs. Inhales are responses to the release of this contraction, which sucks air back into the lungs. This can be quite exhilarating, but if you are new to it it can make you quite dizzy.

Nadi shodhana pranayama, or alternate nostril breathing, is where you take you left hand and fold it into a fist. Then extend your pinky and ring finger, as well as your thumb, and hold one nostril closed while taking a full inhale and exhale out of the opposite nostril before switching. You always want to start breathing through the left nostril, slowing the right.

Sitali pranayama, or cooling breath, is where you curl your tongue and stick it out of your lips as though using it as a straw and breath through that. You want to I hale through the tongue/mouth and exhale through the nose.

The last type of yogic breathing we’ll talk about today is most commonly called lions breath. Take a deep inhale, open your mouth wide, stuck out your tongue and roar like a lion on your exhale. It is loud, yes, but it will a,ways make you feel better and will release any and all stress you may have bottled up.

Let us reflect on the importance of naturalness and spontaneity when breathing. The exercises described above are learned in order to unlearn bad habits and release your body into the naturalness and freedom that should be breathing. These are not to be practised for long periods of time and should not be practiced too often.

I want to thank you all for coming tonight! This is the end of the formal discussion. I now open the floor to any and all comments and questions, whether related or not. Take good care all, on shanti, sat nam, namaste.

Shay Ellison’s Stardust Discussion Transcript July 29 2012

Below is a copy of the transcript from Shay Ellison’s discussion last Sunday at Tricipian Center. She did such a great job and so many great things were said I couldn’t help but ask her to post this here. Great job everyone! And especially a great job to Shay!

[2012/07/29 12:10] Shay Ellison: you all have seen a diagram of our solar system before.
[2012/07/29 12:10] MusE Starsmith: Hi Sonitus!
[2012/07/29 12:10] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): No, he’s just breathing hard
[2012/07/29 12:10] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): oh, I *did* not just say that
[2012/07/29 12:10] MusE Starsmith: Rhia!!!!
[2012/07/29 12:11] Sonitus Randt: hi
[2012/07/29 12:11] Shay Ellison: 8 or 9 planets, depending on whether you still heart pluto as one of our circle πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:11] Shay Ellison: I want you to picture it in your mind
[2012/07/29 12:11] Seren (serendipity.seraph): or Eris
[2012/07/29 12:11] Tricipian Serendipity: OK LETS all show our host some politness and refreain from chatting after the lecture °͜°
[2012/07/29 12:11] Shay Ellison: now, scale back 10 times
[2012/07/29 12:11] Tricipian Serendipity: we have trained hosts to take care of and make strays feel welcome °͜°
[2012/07/29 12:11] Shay Ellison: then put a big smoky smudge in that space. our solar system will be sitting in a small corner of that.
[2012/07/29 12:12] Shay Ellison: it’s a big gas nebula, a cloud of hydrogen, where all stars begin from in some way.
[2012/07/29 12:12] Shay Ellison: as gravity compresses that hydrogen together, it gets so hot that nuclear atom smashing happens. that’s the jump start of all stars.
[2012/07/29 12:13] Shay Ellison: and this star? it’s bleepin huge! several times greater than our sun, probably burning with a hotter color.
[2012/07/29 12:13] Shay Ellison: it also did not last as long as our sun is expected to. another 4 billion years by astronomers observations of other parts of the galaxy
[2012/07/29 12:13] Shay Ellison: this freakin huge star will only last a fraction of that time, and when it’s life is up, it won’t just dissapate with the solar wind. it will explode. violently.
[2012/07/29 12:14] Tuppence Aubin: Hi Zymony
[2012/07/29 12:14] Shay Ellison: the amount of energy released is so intense, it will outshine an entire galaxy! a supernova explosion.
[2012/07/29 12:14] Shay Ellison: but moments before that event, the star has run out of hydrogen to burn and smash together into helium, which is how stars keep burning for many many years
[2012/07/29 12:15] Shay Ellison: once that hydrogen is gone, it has to keep burning SOMEthing, so it starts to canibalize the helium, creating lithium an other elements from that.
[2012/07/29 12:15] Shay Ellison: this is what populates our periodic table, stars near death that create heavier and larger atoms, right up until it starts making iron.
[2012/07/29 12:16] Shay Ellison: ever wondered what it takes to destroy a star? it’s in your frying pan. yes, ordinary iron πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:16] Shay Ellison: Iron is designed to take in more energy than it can give out. as the iron robs the star of that energy needed to keep burning, it almost implodes on itself, then shatters outward, sending all those heavier elements out into the cosmos
[2012/07/29 12:17] Shay Ellison: in that moment of the supernova explosion, the amount of energy is enough to fuse the iron together with other elements, making our heavier ones like gold and platinum
[2012/07/29 12:17] Shay Ellison: that is why those elements are so rare πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:17] Shay Ellison: and that could be the end of it, but not all hydrogen in that original star has been removed!
[2012/07/29 12:18] Shay Ellison: enough forms to create a new, albeit smaller star
[2012/07/29 12:18] Shay Ellison: but we don’t have just hydrogen anymore, the elements made from that original star are also around
[2012/07/29 12:18] Shay Ellison: eventually they orbit the star’s immense gravity, small pebbles combining, then boulders
[2012/07/29 12:18] Shay Ellison: until eventually you have planets that will cool.
[2012/07/29 12:19] Shay Ellison: that is how the inner planets from mercury to mars were born.
[2012/07/29 12:19] Shay Ellison: including earth
[2012/07/29 12:19] Shay Ellison: still with me everyone?
[2012/07/29 12:19] Tricipian Serendipity: yes ; doing great! °͜°
[2012/07/29 12:19] Arabella Eyre (nitewater): Very clear
[2012/07/29 12:19] MusE Starsmith: so far!
[2012/07/29 12:19] Shay Ellison: creation of a star, destruction, then birth of a new star
[2012/07/29 12:19] Lulu Lacrima sits alertly
[2012/07/29 12:19] Bryce Galbraith: yep, still here πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:19] Shay Ellison: there are many ancient religions that revere our sun, it provides so much for us, helps sustain our existence
[2012/07/29 12:20] Shay Ellison: I won’t say how long the idea of a god for everything was, but back then, earth WAS everything we knew, as telescopes weren’t invented yet.
[2012/07/29 12:20] Shay Ellison: but we are, stardust.
[2012/07/29 12:20] RevRob Beerbaum: i feel it no coincidence of poetry that attraction is the main fuel of our sustenance
[2012/07/29 12:20] Shay Ellison: we are the successors to that giant gas cloud that gave birth to our entire solar system
[2012/07/29 12:21] Lulu Lacrima whispers re-hi Rhi
[2012/07/29 12:21] Shay Ellison: a gas cloud that may be 10 times, 50 times greater than our solar system. the cosmic distances are immense!
[2012/07/29 12:21] Shay Ellison: yet at the same time, we share a connection with the other planets, the asteroids, the moons, all being birthed from the same star!
[2012/07/29 12:21] Shay Ellison: in some ways, this connection is even more personal than our theistic religions
[2012/07/29 12:21] Shay Ellison: we are, stardust.
[2012/07/29 12:22] Shay Ellison: so, knowing what you do now, I”m sure each of you may find some takeaway from it. spiritual or secular
[2012/07/29 12:22] Shay Ellison: I now open the floor for you to share your thoughts with everyone.
[2012/07/29 12:22] Dom Lunasea nicely expressed
[2012/07/29 12:22] Chraeloos: Rev, I agree that its very poetic
[2012/07/29 12:23] Chraeloos: Well done Shay!
[2012/07/29 12:23] Tricipian Serendipity: first i wqant to say ty for “christening” this venue and great intro! °͜°
[2012/07/29 12:23] MusE Starsmith: Shay, that was wonderfully expressed!
[2012/07/29 12:23] Shay Ellison: focusing on a connection that links us to the cosmos, which may even trancend our theistic religions πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:23] RevRob Beerbaum: yes, thank you Shay!
[2012/07/29 12:23] Lulu Lacrima: I think Cosmos is appropriate, because you reminded me of Carl Sagan, who would agree that we are all made of “starstuff”
[2012/07/29 12:23] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Could you repeat it, Shay? I crashed. lol
[2012/07/29 12:23] Tricipian Serendipity: this is a very inclusive approach to understanding our being
[2012/07/29 12:23] Tuppence Aubin: yes
[2012/07/29 12:23] Shay Ellison: lol, everyone gets one Rhia πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:24] Shay Ellison: but I’ll past the chat log for you πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:24] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Thanks.
[2012/07/29 12:24] Dom Lunasea: Philip Stewert’s Chemical Galaxy ; a re-imaging of the periodic table :
[2012/07/29 12:24] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): The phrase “We are starstuff” was Sagan’s
[2012/07/29 12:24] RevRob Beerbaum: i think the idea of the causality chain eg. “we are all stardust” might miss something though. the same thing that can become stars, is the same thing that is us
[2012/07/29 12:24] Bryce Galbraith: Yeah, I can’t help but be reminded of Cosmos too…
[2012/07/29 12:24] Tricipian Serendipity: for many of the reasons you said too
[2012/07/29 12:24] Lulu Lacrima: yes, Rhia, that’s why I chose to use quotation marks
[2012/07/29 12:25] Chraeloos nods at Bryce
[2012/07/29 12:25] RevRob Beerbaum: Pale Blue Dot – a fav
[2012/07/29 12:25] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yes, we are made of the same thing as stars; but there’s a causal chain–I think, spiritually, though, there is an idea of oneness with the universe that has to be plugged in
[2012/07/29 12:25] Lulu Lacrima: Rhia, do you speak perhaps of The Force?
[2012/07/29 12:25] MusE Starsmith: I have learned I resemble a fry pan. Seriously, though, the connections here are astounding to contemplate
[2012/07/29 12:25] Tricipian Serendipity: right rhi; and tha makes everthing around us a point for attachement
[2012/07/29 12:26] Shay Ellison: I find, that our connection to the stars allows us to hold similar beliefs, that while they all could differ greatly, we would still share a belief of this connection with the rest of the universe.
[2012/07/29 12:26] Chraeloos: Thanks Dom, that was interesting!
[2012/07/29 12:26] Sonitus Randt: muse lol
[2012/07/29 12:26] Chraeloos: Muse, lol!
[2012/07/29 12:26] Shay Ellison: and there’s something more inclusive about that as well
[2012/07/29 12:26] RevRob Beerbaum: definitely! I mainly meant that our Sun wasn’t “first”, we all conglomerated and played our roles to end up here, at the same “time”
[2012/07/29 12:26] MusE Starsmith: I like “sense of oneness” Rhia
[2012/07/29 12:27] Tuppence Aubin: Yes so did I
[2012/07/29 12:27] Chraeloos: Agreed Muse, Rhi that was a good one
[2012/07/29 12:27] Tricipian Serendipity: very good point rev; we dont realize we are second players to this part of the galaxy
[2012/07/29 12:27] Chraeloos: Paul, “second players”?
[2012/07/29 12:27] MusE Starsmith: in age, you mean, Rev; Paul?
[2012/07/29 12:27] Shay Ellison: why first or second? why not, a continuation? πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:28] Tricipian Serendipity: as shay pointed out in her intro; the sun was born too
[2012/07/29 12:28] MusE Starsmith: an expansion, perhaps
[2012/07/29 12:28] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Lulu, the Force? Well, I do think that there is an energy field that surrounds all life and allows us to do what some would call “extrasensory” things.
[2012/07/29 12:28] Tricipian Serendipity: before we came along there was a death for our solar systems birth
[2012/07/29 12:28] Shay Ellison: wish I could do telekenisis πŸ˜€
[2012/07/29 12:28] RevRob Beerbaum: yes, Tricipian! we seem to be in a way, siblings
[2012/07/29 12:28] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Thanks, musE, Chrae, Tri
[2012/07/29 12:28] Tuppence Aubin: yes
[2012/07/29 12:28] Chraeloos: I’m trying to think what this connection means to me. I guess its both spiritual and seculuar – scientific as we are made of it, but spiritual because it kind of makes us feel like a community, I think.
[2012/07/29 12:28] Tricipian Serendipity: continuation it might be; but its a process in evolution too
[2012/07/29 12:29] Lulu Lacrima: “There is a thing confusedly formed/Born before Heaven and Earth/Silent and void/It stands alone and does not change/Goes round and does not weary./It is capable of being the mother of the world./I know not its name/So I style it “The Way”/I give it the makeshift name of “the Great”/Being great, it is further described as receding/Receding, it is described as far away/Being far away, it is described as turning back
[2012/07/29 12:29] MusE Starsmith: Process, right. I always like that word.
[2012/07/29 12:29] RevRob Beerbaum: i like that, Chraeloos: community
[2012/07/29 12:29] Chraeloos: Reminds me of Taoism “vital energy” – we are all made of the same stuff
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[2012/07/29 12:29] MusE Starsmith: Lulu! wow
[2012/07/29 12:29] Lulu Lacrima: “Lao-tse” as quoted in Cosmos (C. Sagan)
[2012/07/29 12:29] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Chrae, right, I think the Taoists were onto something
[2012/07/29 12:29] Chraeloos: Rev, thanks, me too
[2012/07/29 12:29] Chraeloos: Lulu, mhm
[2012/07/29 12:29] Chraeloos: Rhi, definitely
[2012/07/29 12:30] Shay Ellison: and if you want to take an earth day take on it, we are all recycled stuff too
[2012/07/29 12:30] Tricipian Serendipity: this understanding tho really drives that we are all made of the same stuff home °͜°
[2012/07/29 12:30] Chraeloos: So, its both spiritual and secular for me
[2012/07/29 12:30] Chraeloos: Shay, lol thats great!
[2012/07/29 12:30] Chraeloos: Paul, sure does
[2012/07/29 12:30] Chraeloos: its kind of neat to think about
[2012/07/29 12:30] Shay Ellison: the laws of physics knows how to recycle better than we do! heehee
[2012/07/29 12:30] Dom Lunasea: not just the same stuff – but the same proportions ; (except helium) in our bodies
[2012/07/29 12:30] Chraeloos: maybe we are made of stars and black holes like Dr. Manjir Samanta Loughton says in their book “Punk Science”
[2012/07/29 12:30] Tuppence Aubin: Yes, I would say spiritual and secular really describes it
[2012/07/29 12:30] Chraeloos: Shay, lol
[2012/07/29 12:31] Tricipian Serendipity: this is very spritually to me and its secular bc it is an understanding of our reality equal to its terms
[2012/07/29 12:31] Lulu Lacrima: Secular spiritualism?
[2012/07/29 12:31] Lulu Lacrima: I can cotton onto that
[2012/07/29 12:31] Chraeloos: Lulu, lol
[2012/07/29 12:31] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Shay, I’ve split clouds and directed the way a candle’s flame goes, and it’s by plugging into this all surrounding energy, I believe
[2012/07/29 12:31] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Either that, or I’m possessed by demons
[2012/07/29 12:31] Chraeloos: Rhi, lol maybe a bit of both πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:31] Shay Ellison: or you’re just a naked succubus πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:31] Dom Lunasea: or delusions ; same thing
[2012/07/29 12:31] Chraeloos: Dom, why delusions?
[2012/07/29 12:31] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Shay, well, tell me that when I visit your dreams
[2012/07/29 12:31] Tricipian Serendipity: our avatars are possesed by somethign γ‹‘
[2012/07/29 12:32] MusE Starsmith: WB RF !
[2012/07/29 12:32] Lulu Lacrima: re hi RF
[2012/07/29 12:32] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, don’t care if it is a delusion, as long as I can consistently do it and it enhances my life.
[2012/07/29 12:32] Lulu Lacrima: Hi Nitewater
[2012/07/29 12:32] MusE Starsmith: WB Ara
[2012/07/29 12:32] Arabella Eyre (nitewater): TY
[2012/07/29 12:32] Shay Ellison: well, there’s also documented cases of identical twins who can feel pain from each other.
[2012/07/29 12:32] Lulu Lacrima: Rhia, what’s a delusion?
[2012/07/29 12:32] Dom Lunasea: how do you distinguish a delusion from the matrix
[2012/07/29 12:32] Shay Ellison: even at great distances
[2012/07/29 12:32] Chraeloos: Shay, what do you think that means?
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[2012/07/29 12:32] Tricipian Serendipity: here is something to ponder °͜° if we are made of the same stuff; are we allso following the same rules too?
[2012/07/29 12:32] Lulu Lacrima: whoops, let me be more specific, Rhia, what is your delusion?
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[2012/07/29 12:32] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Dom said “or delusions;” I ws responding to that
[2012/07/29 12:32] Shay Ellison: not sure, but Rhia is talking about this shared energy.
[2012/07/29 12:32] Lulu Lacrima: yah, I missed it
[2012/07/29 12:32] Dom Lunasea: at what scale Tricip ?
[2012/07/29 12:33] Tuppence Aubin: Oh, if you don’t know it’s a delusion then it is a delusion
[2012/07/29 12:33] Bryce Galbraith: Tri — which set of rules ?
[2012/07/29 12:33] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yes, the shared energy.
[2012/07/29 12:33] Chraeloos: Paul, oh neat idea. Maybe we are
[2012/07/29 12:33] Shay Ellison: and maybe we DO influence the energy of others, even if that means creating “delusions” πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:33] Tricipian Serendipity: general “rules” of nature
[2012/07/29 12:33] Sonitus Randt: the rules are us
[2012/07/29 12:33] RevRob Beerbaum: how do you mean, Shay?
[2012/07/29 12:33] Tricipian Serendipity: even in our thougst too
[2012/07/29 12:33] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But a delusion is a false belief, irrationally held, that hurts you. You know, like the idea that the Democrats are the party of the common man
[2012/07/29 12:33] Shay Ellison: thanks for the tip Chraeloos πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:33] MusE Starsmith: Sonitus, yes, I see that
[2012/07/29 12:33] Chraeloos: Paul, I think to an extent yes
[2012/07/29 12:33] Tuppence Aubin: lol
[2012/07/29 12:33] Chraeloos: most welcome Shay πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:33] Lulu Lacrima: well, if we all share the same delusion, with the implication being that a delusion does not represent an objective reality, then what does that say about the nature of reality as we perceive an interpret it?
[2012/07/29 12:33] Tricipian Serendipity: what i am suggesting is a general dynamic
[2012/07/29 12:33] RevRob Beerbaum: lol nice example, Rhiannon
[2012/07/29 12:34] Dom Lunasea: or Republicans are competent businessmen
[2012/07/29 12:34] Chraeloos: Rhi, lol
[2012/07/29 12:34] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Dom, yes, or that
[2012/07/29 12:34] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): ty, RevRob
[2012/07/29 12:34] Tuppence Aubin: Oh dear
[2012/07/29 12:34] Shay Ellison: Rev, have you ever had a dream with visions of things you never encountered? patterns and shapes that seem meaningless?
[2012/07/29 12:34] RevRob Beerbaum: i’m not sure i follow, Tri
[2012/07/29 12:34] Shay Ellison: our dreams are formed by patters already in our minds, but we sometimes see things we can’t explain.
[2012/07/29 12:34] RevRob Beerbaum: definitely, Shay. meaningless though, only later. at the time very meaningful
[2012/07/29 12:34] Tricipian Serendipity: i prob will need to do an event to explore properly that idea revrob °͜°
[2012/07/29 12:34] Deunan Cuttita has entered chat range.
[2012/07/29 12:34] MusE Starsmith: (BTW, tips are split between the venue and the host, so be generous if you can! Tip Jar is on the stage…THANKS!)
[2012/07/29 12:35] Lulu Lacrima: Perhaps Shay is referring to what others might call the collective unconscious?
[2012/07/29 12:35] Shay Ellison: yes, give it to the tip jar please.
[2012/07/29 12:35] Tuppence Aubin: ty
[2012/07/29 12:35] Shay Ellison: I’ll get a smidgen of it πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:35] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): The collective unconscious is another word for the Akashic Records, and rests on the assumption that we participate in a common soul
[2012/07/29 12:35] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Which I believe
[2012/07/29 12:35] Bryce Galbraith: Paul, we certainly obey the rules governing matter …
[2012/07/29 12:35] Tricipian Serendipity: right bryce °͜°
[2012/07/29 12:35] MusE Starsmith: (a largish smidgen lol)
[2012/07/29 12:35] Chraeloos: Rhi, a common soul? interesting idea
[2012/07/29 12:35] Chraeloos: like the internet?
[2012/07/29 12:35] Lulu Lacrima: Rhia, do you truly believe that we participate in a common soul?
[2012/07/29 12:36] Shay Ellison: lol, in some ways, calling it “energy” is like calling miraculous events we can’t explain, “God”
[2012/07/29 12:36] RevRob Beerbaum: that’s a nice interpretation of the collective unconscious, Rhiannon
[2012/07/29 12:36] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Chraeloos, minimally, yes
[2012/07/29 12:36] MusE Starsmith: I choose to disobey the law of gravity today….
[2012/07/29 12:36] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Thanks, Rev
[2012/07/29 12:36] RevRob Beerbaum: i remember reading some of Jung’s memoirs, where he felt taht “collective unconscious” as popularly interpreted to be his greatest mistake of wording
[2012/07/29 12:36] Shay Ellison: we’re still trying to figure it all out, but we do feels SOME connection with each other, our friends and loved ones, even our mortal enemies for those that have mortal enemies
[2012/07/29 12:36] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): I had a dog that could levitate. She ran so quickly, I literally saw her floating in air as she moved
[2012/07/29 12:36] Zymony Guyot: MusE…the gravity cops outsourced enforcement of that to the pavement today….:)
[2012/07/29 12:36] Lulu Lacrima: Rhia, I’m sorry but I can’t believe your story
[2012/07/29 12:36] Chraeloos: REv, oh interesting
[2012/07/29 12:36] Tricipian Serendipity: i do feel thatconnection °͜°
[2012/07/29 12:36] Dom Lunasea sighs
[2012/07/29 12:37] MusE Starsmith: wow Rhia! does she give lessons?
[2012/07/29 12:37] MusE Starsmith: Zym, hehe
[2012/07/29 12:37] Tricipian Serendipity: but i can feel it too with the trees and rocks; and vistas out here also
[2012/07/29 12:37] Shay Ellison: the gravity cops went on strike when they encountered the massive black hole at the center of our own galaxy πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:37] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Shay, and you gave a way to allow us to understand that connection
[2012/07/29 12:37] Chraeloos: lol Muse, agreed. I want lessons too!
[2012/07/29 12:37] Dom Lunasea: of course a running dog can get airborne – so can humans ans horses ; not the same as levitate
[2012/07/29 12:37] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Don’t care, Lulu; I saw it.
[2012/07/29 12:37] Chraeloos: Paul, me too
[2012/07/29 12:37] MusE Starsmith: why sigh, Dom?
[2012/07/29 12:37] Lulu Lacrima: your seeing it doesn’t make it true
[2012/07/29 12:37] RevRob Beerbaum: yes, Tricipian! I feel that very strongly sometimes
[2012/07/29 12:37] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): But now I won’t give a naturalistic interpretation. Just so you will continue to not believe it
[2012/07/29 12:37] Barbie (barbiedoll.somerset): I have at times felt my spirit on the verge of flight, when i was dancing.
[2012/07/29 12:37] Tricipian Serendipity: lets stay on topic °͜° this is a one time special event
[2012/07/29 12:37] RevRob Beerbaum: I think “feeling” in general to be the bond of the connection, there
[2012/07/29 12:38] RevRob Beerbaum: isn’t everything πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:38] RevRob Beerbaum: (a one time special event)
[2012/07/29 12:38] Shay Ellison: I have an idea to bring it to topic in a few minutes actually πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:38] Barbie (barbiedoll.somerset): But as a being of electrical energy my feet are always seeking ground
[2012/07/29 12:38] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Yeah, and my seeing your text doesn’t make you an intelligent being. Turing, anyone?
[2012/07/29 12:38] MusE Starsmith: Rev, good point.
[2012/07/29 12:38] MusE Starsmith: If we ARE stardust, we can’t help but FEEL that
[2012/07/29 12:38] RF Axel: I wouldn’t claim we fully understand what is possible – just what we have current experience of. And, not all of that. πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:39] Lulu Lacrima: so we agree, as usual, Rhi πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:39] Bryce Galbraith: MusE — what does it feel like?
[2012/07/29 12:39] Tricipian Serendipity: this is a wonderful starting point for secular sprituality bc its offers the connection to the “unknown all” with the same providence of a dieity but absent the supernatural
[2012/07/29 12:39] Lulu Lacrima: how can a diety not be supernatural?
[2012/07/29 12:39] Bryce Galbraith: I don’t know that I have a feeling of being stardust… I know it more intellectually…
[2012/07/29 12:39] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Shay, shhhh. Tri doesn’t believe in the massive black hole at the center of our galaxy
[2012/07/29 12:39] Lulu Lacrima: by definition, a deity is something that transcends the natural world
[2012/07/29 12:39] MusE Starsmith: Oh, I meant the connection, Bryce. The dust itself is a bit itchy. °͜°
[2012/07/29 12:39] Tricipian Serendipity: who said that tri?
[2012/07/29 12:39] RevRob Beerbaum: Bryce, a similar feeling might be that of a rampant metabolism
[2012/07/29 12:39] Bryce Galbraith: lol!
[2012/07/29 12:39] Bryce Galbraith: πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:39] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Or wait, is that Sandor? Somebody who gives discussions doesn’t believe in dark matter
[2012/07/29 12:39] Tricipian Serendipity: rhi?
[2012/07/29 12:39] Shay Ellison: and if black holes are PART of the natural world, or universe in this case?
[2012/07/29 12:40] RF Axel: As the Mormons about non-spernatural deities…
[2012/07/29 12:40] Bryce Galbraith: I think that might be Sandor, Rhi…
[2012/07/29 12:40] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): yeah, sorry, anyway, was just a joke
[2012/07/29 12:40] Tricipian Serendipity: lets try to keep this a bit more serious
[2012/07/29 12:40] Shay Ellison: we’ll save dark matter and energy for a future discussion I think. that is even more confusing. lol
[2012/07/29 12:40] RF Axel: supernatural*
[2012/07/29 12:40] Shay Ellison: okay! thought experiment time!
[2012/07/29 12:40] Shay Ellison: eyes up on my text!
[2012/07/29 12:40] RevRob Beerbaum: o_o
[2012/07/29 12:40] Dom Lunasea looks at Shay’s .. text
[2012/07/29 12:40] Shay Ellison: I want you all to ponder your connection with the universe, the planets, the stars, jus reflect for a moment
[2012/07/29 12:41] Lulu Lacrima reflects
[2012/07/29 12:41] Shay Ellison: then say something in your own words that appeals to that connection.
[2012/07/29 12:41] RF Axel: Isn’t the universe supposed to match the properties of a black hole?
[2012/07/29 12:41] Shay Ellison: regardless of how different your views and beliefs are, focus on that connection, and lets see if we get some consensus
[2012/07/29 12:41] Shay Ellison: or have differing opinions that still share in that connection.
[2012/07/29 12:41] Lulu Lacrima: I am all, and I am none, a rhythmic breaking dissonance of one
[2012/07/29 12:41] Chraeloos: Lulu, nice!
[2012/07/29 12:41] Lulu Lacrima: πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:41] RevRob Beerbaum: hmm, i feel that connection to be similar to the connection felt at the gas pump. lots of us arriving at the same place, but our futures wildly diverging
[2012/07/29 12:41] Dom Lunasea: I see fleshy orbs , moving rhythmically .. in concert with gravity ..
[2012/07/29 12:42] Dom Lunasea: oh – wait the text
[2012/07/29 12:42] Shay Ellison: nice one Rev πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:42] Lulu Lacrima refrains from commenting on “fleshy orbs”
[2012/07/29 12:42] Shay Ellison: and very poetic Lulu
[2012/07/29 12:42] Lulu Lacrima: ty Shay
[2012/07/29 12:42] RevRob Beerbaum: thanks, Shay πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:42] Shay Ellison: I know, I almost facepalmed on the “fleshy orb” one πŸ˜€
[2012/07/29 12:42] Tricipian Serendipity: i see thru us the connection to the universe in a very powerful way; thru US the universe has conscousness
[2012/07/29 12:42] Tuppence Aubin: ty Shay
[2012/07/29 12:42] Chraeloos: I’m wondering if “connection” isn’t the right word. Its the same material. Its like opposite sides of the same coin – same thing, just looks different.
[2012/07/29 12:42] RevRob Beerbaum: we all have that commonality of past, and its effects are turbulent and unpredictable, but very much coinciding
[2012/07/29 12:43] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Well, we share the universal consciousness–the Brahman and the Atman are the same, just viewed from different perspectives
[2012/07/29 12:43] Shay Ellison: it could be Chraeloos, that our vantage from that material helps define our uniquness πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:43] Tricipian Serendipity: i agree chrae °͜° its an inclulsive connection
[2012/07/29 12:43] MusE Starsmith: in a nod to SL, I am made of many pixels as is all
[2012/07/29 12:43] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone) looks at Chrae, as she just made a similar point to mine
[2012/07/29 12:43] Tuppence Aubin: yes
[2012/07/29 12:43] RevRob Beerbaum: speaking of, is anyone familiar with chaos? i feel it very much applies
[2012/07/29 12:43] Chraeloos: Rhi, I like that
[2012/07/29 12:44] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): me too
[2012/07/29 12:44] Tricipian Serendipity: why rev?
[2012/07/29 12:44] Lulu Lacrima: chaos, as in chaos theory?
[2012/07/29 12:44] Chraeloos: Shay, yeah maybe it does – interesting point
[2012/07/29 12:44] Deunan Cuttita: all what i feel is we are just like a thought … cuz energy is the basic which let interact the material stuff … the basic prinicpal is interaction and that builds up the *whole*
[2012/07/29 12:44] RevRob Beerbaum: yeah, Lulu
[2012/07/29 12:44] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone) reaches back and holds unto Chrae’s thigh
[2012/07/29 12:44] Tricipian Serendipity: what is chaos anyway; chaos is an order in itself
[2012/07/29 12:44] Lulu Lacrima: or chaos, as in entropy?
[2012/07/29 12:44] RF Axel: Be polite to the electrons – they are doing their best. πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:44] Lulu Lacrima: chaos is the converse of order
[2012/07/29 12:44] Shay Ellison: this isn’t academic discussion though, so keep theories of M and “brane” theory to yourselves today πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:44] Tricipian Serendipity: is it?
[2012/07/29 12:44] Chraeloos: RF lol
[2012/07/29 12:44] RevRob Beerbaum: more chaos as in the theory. entropy is an expression of
[2012/07/29 12:45] Tricipian Serendipity: chaos and order only exist bc there are conscious beings to select waht is of each
[2012/07/29 12:45] RevRob Beerbaum: definitely, Shay πŸ™‚ I think of chaos as “repeating, though unpredictable patterns”
[2012/07/29 12:45] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Paul, so you don’t think the patterns are real?
[2012/07/29 12:45] Deunan Cuttita: what means real?
[2012/07/29 12:45] Dom Lunasea: many pretty words
[2012/07/29 12:45] MusE Starsmith: consciousness is necessary to the universe, but generated from where?
[2012/07/29 12:45] Lulu Lacrima: Seren, I would argue, not in total contradiction to your point, but that chaos and order only exists because they are complementary to each other
[2012/07/29 12:45] Tricipian Serendipity: before humans came along; the universe was doing what it was s doing
[2012/07/29 12:45] RevRob Beerbaum: meaning, since we are all expressions of a sort of unity, that our evolution repeats the patterns
[2012/07/29 12:45] Lulu Lacrima: thus, without the one, we could not define or understand the other
[2012/07/29 12:45] Tricipian Serendipity: no rhi; i dont
[2012/07/29 12:45] Zymony Guyot: I feel like there is a chain or link or line between me and everything…..atoms i’ve touched touch other atoms, touching other atoms, and so on out into the far reaches of what I can see, beyond that to what I can’t, beyond that to what I imagine, and even beyond that to things that every logical atom in my brain tells me doesn’t even exist….
[2012/07/29 12:46] RevRob Beerbaum: so the solar system continues in a certain way, and our selves are another expression of it
[2012/07/29 12:46] Chraeloos: Lulu, I agree
[2012/07/29 12:46] RF Axel: All patterns are real – matter is a pattern of energy; is energy just patterned space?
[2012/07/29 12:46] Lulu Lacrima: evolution is not a process that follows patterns, not even those suggestive in chaos theory
[2012/07/29 12:46] RevRob Beerbaum: wow, Zymony – nice
[2012/07/29 12:46] RevRob Beerbaum: i’d disagree with that, Lulu
[2012/07/29 12:46] Tricipian Serendipity: order is selective; it requires us ; tho we are part of it , order is not somethig existing indpendantly
[2012/07/29 12:46] Chraeloos: Maybe we’re a figment of the universe’s imagination
[2012/07/29 12:46] Chraeloos: lol
[2012/07/29 12:46] Shay Ellison: consider this as well everyone: what if the atoms that make up your right arm, came from a DIFFERENT star than the atoms in your left arm? πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:47] Tuppence Aubin: Patterms are our way of making order from Chaos, who is to say if it is real
[2012/07/29 12:47] Dom Lunasea: they did
[2012/07/29 12:47] RevRob Beerbaum: at the very least, evolution as referenced in biology, all uses living matter as a pattern
[2012/07/29 12:47] Tricipian Serendipity: the “order” of the universe is just what eveer its doing
[2012/07/29 12:47] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): So the law of gravity didn’t exist before human consciousness?
[2012/07/29 12:47] Tricipian Serendipity: that is not waht i am saying rhi!
[2012/07/29 12:47] Lulu Lacrima: evolution relies on randomness….and chaos theory, at its heart, suggests there is order to randomness…but I would argue that there are different types of randomness
[2012/07/29 12:47] Zymony Guyot: Isn’t order and chaos merely different ages in the life of the same thing?
[2012/07/29 12:47] Lulu Lacrima: which is being very vague, I know
[2012/07/29 12:47] RevRob Beerbaum: lol, Shay. but at the very least they’d have a common ancestor at some point in the past, wouldn’t they?
[2012/07/29 12:47] Shay Ellison: even our dreams evolve from patterns too
[2012/07/29 12:47] RevRob Beerbaum: could you go more into that, Lulu?
[2012/07/29 12:47] Shay Ellison: yes Rev, that giant freakin cosmically HUGE gas cloud
[2012/07/29 12:47] Chraeloos: Zym, well put
[2012/07/29 12:47] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Then what are you saying, Tri? You said that order and patterns didn’t exist without humans
[2012/07/29 12:48] Lulu Lacrima: Humans are pattern-seekers
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[2012/07/29 12:48] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): And that would seem to include the order and pattern of the law of gravity
[2012/07/29 12:48] Tuppence Aubin: Sometimes, sometimes they are a way of looking at the same thing
[2012/07/29 12:48] RevRob Beerbaum: or cosmically tiny, at some point
[2012/07/29 12:48] Tricipian Serendipity: the dicernment doesnt exist rhi
[2012/07/29 12:48] MusE Starsmith: A contiuum, yes, Zym
[2012/07/29 12:48] Shay Ellison: we do take comfort in patterns. even our stubborn beliefs are there because of patterns.
[2012/07/29 12:48] Shay Ellison: and when our patterns or beliefs are challenged. . . .
[2012/07/29 12:48] Shay Ellison: discord and conflict!
[2012/07/29 12:48] Lulu Lacrima: we seek patterns even where none exist
[2012/07/29 12:48] Bryce Galbraith: Yes, indeed Shay πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:48] Tuppence Aubin: Yes we do
[2012/07/29 12:48] Bryce Galbraith: very well put…
[2012/07/29 12:48] Shay Ellison: oh yeah, I haven’t given my opinion yet. πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:49] Shay Ellison: it’s gonna pimp smack theists a little but. . .
[2012/07/29 12:49] Chraeloos: Shay, what do you think?
[2012/07/29 12:49] RevRob Beerbaum: well i don’t think that’s a faulty comfort at all. pattern is a natural result of any assumption of law or commonality of behavior
[2012/07/29 12:49] MusE Starsmith: “comfort in patterns” hadn’t thought of it that way
[2012/07/29 12:49] Dom Lunasea: stubborn beliefs :
[2012/07/29 12:49] Shay Ellison: our connection, our shared oneness does something that organized religion has failed on providing:
[2012/07/29 12:49] Chraeloos: I like that – “comfort in patterns”. So true
[2012/07/29 12:49] Shay Ellison: simplicity
[2012/07/29 12:49] Tricipian Serendipity: ah!!!! yes shay! °͜°
[2012/07/29 12:49] Shay Ellison: we all came from a whole and are now diverse
[2012/07/29 12:49] Lulu Lacrima: such as Pareidolia
[2012/07/29 12:49] Shay Ellison: without commandments
[2012/07/29 12:49] RevRob Beerbaum: i’m not sure what you mean, Shay
[2012/07/29 12:49] Shay Ellison: without doctrine
[2012/07/29 12:49] Zymony Guyot has left chat range.
[2012/07/29 12:49] Tricipian Serendipity: but yet we are still a whole shay
[2012/07/29 12:50] Lulu Lacrima: e.g., seeing the face of Jesus in a cloud or tortilla
[2012/07/29 12:50] Shay Ellison: and it is that simplicity that trancends all notions of God
[2012/07/29 12:50] MusE Starsmith: ty Dom
[2012/07/29 12:50] Tuppence Aubin: Oh dear we keep losing people
[2012/07/29 12:50] Shay Ellison: at least our deistic ones
[2012/07/29 12:50] Chraeloos: Shay, I like that
[2012/07/29 12:50] RevRob Beerbaum: uh-oh, Tuppence
[2012/07/29 12:50] Shay Ellison: which helped me actually redefine God
[2012/07/29 12:50] RF Axel: If God throws dice, how many sides do they have? πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:50] Shay Ellison: into something not theistic
[2012/07/29 12:50] Tricipian Serendipity: simplicity is the start of all things
[2012/07/29 12:50] Chraeloos: Paul, and the end?
[2012/07/29 12:50] Shay Ellison: roll the dice to see if I”m getting drunk!
[2012/07/29 12:50] Tuppence Aubin: Indeed Rob
[2012/07/29 12:50] Shay Ellison: πŸ˜€
[2012/07/29 12:50] RevRob Beerbaum: i’d think that the simplicity is more of a direct acknowledgement of a deity, Shay
[2012/07/29 12:50] MusE Starsmith: yes, a few crashes…but they find their way back from the chaos, Tupp
[2012/07/29 12:50] Tricipian Serendipity: yes °͜°
[2012/07/29 12:50] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone) has left chat range.
[2012/07/29 12:51] Tuppence Aubin: I know
[2012/07/29 12:51] Dom Lunasea: god od the internet is mad at them
[2012/07/29 12:51] Shay Ellison: fair enough, but is it necessary to live out our lives to hard and fast rules?
[2012/07/29 12:51] Lulu Lacrima: are we presupposing the existence of dieties simply b/c there seems to be some pattern to the chaos of this universe?
[2012/07/29 12:51] Chraeloos: Dom, lol
[2012/07/29 12:51] MusE Starsmith: Do you Rev? How so?
[2012/07/29 12:51] Tricipian Serendipity: i think theer is a diff to simplicy and simplifying; re god
[2012/07/29 12:51] Tuppence Aubin: No, the internet is controlled by cats
[2012/07/29 12:51] RevRob Beerbaum: necessary, Shay?
[2012/07/29 12:51] Shay Ellison: to still share this connection with the beginning, do we need to punish ourselves with enforced suffering?
[2012/07/29 12:51] Dom Lunasea: cat + god
[2012/07/29 12:51] Dom Lunasea: scary
[2012/07/29 12:51] Shay Ellison: with our limited notions of how to live our lives?
[2012/07/29 12:51] Lulu Lacrima: what if we’re engaging in nothing more than Pareidolia, on a larger scale?
[2012/07/29 12:51] Tuppence Aubin: Very
[2012/07/29 12:51] Zymony Guyot has entered chat range.
[2012/07/29 12:51] MusE Starsmith: cod?
[2012/07/29 12:51] MusE Starsmith: WV Zym
[2012/07/29 12:51] Lulu Lacrima: what if we’re finding patterns b/c we are predispose to do so, when in fact none exist?
[2012/07/29 12:51] Dom Lunasea: lol
[2012/07/29 12:52] Chraeloos: wb zym
[2012/07/29 12:52] Tuppence Aubin: YEs Zymony
[2012/07/29 12:52] Chraeloos: Lulu, probably
[2012/07/29 12:52] RF Axel: You are using D20, not 3D6 – God hates you! πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:52] Dom Lunasea: exactly Lulu
[2012/07/29 12:52] Chraeloos: lol RF
[2012/07/29 12:52] MusE Starsmith: Lulu, that is worth considering!
[2012/07/29 12:52] Zymony Guyot: Thanks πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:52] Tricipian Serendipity: but that also makes us part of the process too lulu
[2012/07/29 12:52] RevRob Beerbaum: i don’t understand that, Lulu
[2012/07/29 12:52] Shay Ellison: jus recently all of you had differing thoughts of you and the universe, yet still sharing a simplistic notion of oneness, a conection that goes beyond our concious imaginings
[2012/07/29 12:52] Dom Lunasea: our ancestors survived by over-believing in patterns
[2012/07/29 12:52] Lulu Lacrima: I don’t disagree, Seren
[2012/07/29 12:52] Shay Ellison: that’s the simplicity I was referring to
[2012/07/29 12:53] RevRob Beerbaum: i guess if we consider “pattern” as some sort of pre-determination, we’d lose out
[2012/07/29 12:53] Lulu Lacrima: RevBob, we are by nature predisposed to find patterns
[2012/07/29 12:53] Shay Ellison: that we don’t have to complicate our lives with doctrine and scripture, especially forcing it on others.
[2012/07/29 12:53] Shay Ellison: be happy with our beliefs, no matte how they differ, yet still sharing something in common
[2012/07/29 12:53] Lulu Lacrima: and as a result, we are also predisposed to display a cognitive bias for pattern-seeking, even where there are none
[2012/07/29 12:53] RevRob Beerbaum: Lulu – but what of that predisposition? where would that come from?
[2012/07/29 12:53] Tuppence Aubin: Maybe, there is a lot we don’t know about our ancesterors
[2012/07/29 12:53] Tricipian Serendipity: but we do have to force ourselves to some sort of consensus being to function in a society shay
[2012/07/29 12:53] Dom Lunasea: evolution
[2012/07/29 12:53] Bryce Galbraith: Yep… we’ll fill in gaps to make a pattern work if we need to… and we won’t even realize we’ve done that πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:54] Shay Ellison: well sure Tri. civilization is the hotspots for conflict among each other
[2012/07/29 12:54] Shay Ellison: if you want to avoid dealing with other people, become a hermit! πŸ˜€
[2012/07/29 12:54] Lulu Lacrima: Pareidolia
[2012/07/29 12:54] Dom Lunasea: pretty word
[2012/07/29 12:54] Lulu Lacrima: look it up! πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:54] Tuppence Aubin: Not I, hermits have it hard
[2012/07/29 12:54] Tricipian Serendipity: prob is we t hink “our way” is the only way; we dont see it as part of the same process as just “a” way
[2012/07/29 12:54] Lulu Lacrima: I like that, Seren
[2012/07/29 12:54] Zymony Guyot: If we consider “pattern” to be any form of repetition, short of having an infinite type of non-reapeating atoms, patterns are inevitable. Seeking them I think is just a universal method of finding your bearings cosmically speaking.
[2012/07/29 12:54] RevRob Beerbaum: Shay – i think the doctrine and scripture has more of a nod towards the teaching of a path – people have followed certain paths, found certain truths or experiences, and are passing on a sort of method aimed to help others arrive at such
[2012/07/29 12:55] Lulu Lacrima: afk for a sec
[2012/07/29 12:55] MusE Starsmith: Yes we do Bryce. Whence comes the initial pattern?
[2012/07/29 12:55] Tuppence Aubin: I live that Zym
[2012/07/29 12:55] Shay Ellison: yes, good thought Tri. there are many ways to write a program that adds 1 and 1 together. all programs can differ, but they still arrive at the same outcome πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 12:55] MusE Starsmith: hb Lulu
[2012/07/29 12:55] RF Axel: How will the priests persuade us to give them free food, then? πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:55] Tricipian Serendipity: exactly shay γ‹‘
[2012/07/29 12:55] Tuppence Aubin: I don’t have a priest
[2012/07/29 12:55] Amandeep Timeless: patterns to stack the odds
[2012/07/29 12:56] RevRob Beerbaum: i like that, Zymony
[2012/07/29 12:56] Shay Ellison: keep in mind Rev, truth is also perception. what we take away from a given event, and that does not aid in eye witness testimony
[2012/07/29 12:56] MusE Starsmith: RF! γ‹‘
[2012/07/29 12:56] Lulu Lacrima: back
[2012/07/29 12:56] Shay Ellison: like that classroom experiment where one child whispers something to the one next to them, and then throughout the entire room
[2012/07/29 12:56] Shay Ellison: but ending up with a totally different phrase.
[2012/07/29 12:56] Zymony Guyot: Well some patterns when identified, win you bar bets and little else…..others let you make tons of money in say the football pool or the stock market πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 12:56] Tricipian Serendipity: patterns are parts of the whole; not apart from it
[2012/07/29 12:56] MusE Starsmith: Yes, always astounding, that experiment, Shay
[2012/07/29 12:56] Tuppence Aubin: Good point
[2012/07/29 12:56] Lulu Lacrima: sometimes the whole is not the sum of its parts
[2012/07/29 12:56] Sonitus Randt: like waves on the ocean, paul
[2012/07/29 12:57] Lulu Lacrima: a Gestalt perspective
[2012/07/29 12:57] Tricipian Serendipity: yes
[2012/07/29 12:57] RevRob Beerbaum: still, Shay, even if we say that a certain site (like the beach) is worth seeing, we’re saying that going to such a site (reproducing the events) is a good thing
[2012/07/29 12:57] Tricipian Serendipity: the whole is always the sum of its parts
[2012/07/29 12:57] Tricipian Serendipity: we select diff parts to call a whole tho hehe
[2012/07/29 12:57] Shay Ellison: and you you ask two women or two men in love if their relationship is good or evil, then ask a devout priest for the catholic faith the same, you will likely get two seperate answers
[2012/07/29 12:57] Shay Ellison: so what IS good, and what IS evil?
[2012/07/29 12:57] Shay Ellison: what is truth?
[2012/07/29 12:57] Shay Ellison: yours? mine?
[2012/07/29 12:58] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone) has entered chat range.
[2012/07/29 12:58] RevRob Beerbaum: ours
[2012/07/29 12:58] Lulu Lacrima: nope, there is a phenomenon in psychology that is “gestalt” which illustrates experimimentally that we actually will perceive a “whole” object without all of its constituent parts
[2012/07/29 12:58] Tricipian Serendipity: those are deep tangents shay hehe
[2012/07/29 12:58] MusE Starsmith: WB Rhia
[2012/07/29 12:58] Shay Ellison: that’s the end goal, to hopefully find some shared belief we don’t have to kill and/or hurt each other over.
[2012/07/29 12:58] RevRob Beerbaum: creativty, Lulu
[2012/07/29 12:58] RF Axel: No emergent stuff, then, Tri?
[2012/07/29 12:58] MusE Starsmith: worthy goal, Shay!
[2012/07/29 12:58] Chraeloos: wb Rhi
[2012/07/29 12:58] RevRob Beerbaum: well killing each other is politics – not spirituality
[2012/07/29 12:58] Dom Lunasea: ask the vegetarians about killing each other ;
[2012/07/29 12:58] Tricipian Serendipity: but again good and evil is like order an chaos
[2012/07/29 12:59] Tricipian Serendipity: they are biases
[2012/07/29 12:59] Lulu Lacrima: not really, RevBob, even simple perceptual entitites
[2012/07/29 12:59] Shay Ellison: we almost at end of discussion. I guess this is where it can go in any direction, but before we wrap up, any final thoughts from the gang?
[2012/07/29 12:59] Lulu Lacrima: what I’m describing now is not a bias
[2012/07/29 12:59] Dom Lunasea: we are all starstuff , we share dna ; we eat each other
[2012/07/29 12:59] Shay Ellison: what’s a good takeaway to um. . . take away? πŸ˜€
[2012/07/29 12:59] Chraeloos: Shay, you did a great job. I’d love to see events like this more often!
[2012/07/29 12:59] Tricipian Serendipity: sure there is emergence
[2012/07/29 12:59] Dom Lunasea: mmmm takeaway
[2012/07/29 12:59] Zymony Guyot: Yes….Very Well Done Shay!!!!
[2012/07/29 12:59] MusE Starsmith: hmmm, Dom! °͜°
[2012/07/29 12:59] RevRob Beerbaum: give us a focus, Shay?
[2012/07/29 12:59] Melody (melody.trefusis) has left chat range.
[2012/07/29 12:59] Amandeep Timeless: thanks Shay!
[2012/07/29 12:59] Lulu Lacrima: it’s just the way our brains works: we decode information that’s merely sufficient to define a “whole” without always incorporating all of its parts
[2012/07/29 12:59] Lulu Lacrima: it’s actually an efficient process
[2012/07/29 12:59] Lulu Lacrima: if you think about it
[2012/07/29 13:00] Lulu Lacrima: thus evolutionarily sensible
[2012/07/29 13:00] Tricipian Serendipity: i have the anser to the focus hehe
[2012/07/29 13:00] Amandeep Timeless: decipher enough to be useful
[2012/07/29 13:00] RevRob Beerbaum: hehe
[2012/07/29 13:00] Shay Ellison: many scientists would call it categorization, Lulu πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 13:00] Lulu Lacrima: amandeep, exactly
[2012/07/29 13:00] Lulu Lacrima: no, shay, it’s Gestalt
[2012/07/29 13:00] RF Axel: That we can exchange views shows we are connected?
[2012/07/29 13:00] Tricipian Serendipity: look at your own life ; if we are part of the all then our lives are the all too
[2012/07/29 13:00] RevRob Beerbaum: definitely, Tricipian
[2012/07/29 13:00] Chraeloos: Paul, I like that
[2012/07/29 13:00] RevRob Beerbaum: we are the fringes of the same process
[2012/07/29 13:00] Tricipian Serendipity: there is nothing we are doing that is outside of being
[2012/07/29 13:01] MusE Starsmith: (In the chaos, you may not have remembered that the tip jar is on the stage, but there it is, should you wish it) γ‹‘
[2012/07/29 13:01] Shay Ellison: “No man is an island, entire of itself. Every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.” — John Donne
[2012/07/29 13:01] Amandeep Timeless: you decide which molecules will be
[2012/07/29 13:01] Tricipian Serendipity: hear here! shay
[2012/07/29 13:01] Lulu Lacrima:
[2012/07/29 13:01] Shay Ellison: damnit! I could’ve worked that quote in earlier! πŸ˜€
[2012/07/29 13:01] MusE Starsmith: such a good one, Shay
[2012/07/29 13:02] RF Axel: Your teeth like you -if they didn’t you’d be in real trouble – that sort of conclusion? πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 13:02] Dom Lunasea: pretty words
[2012/07/29 13:02] MusE Starsmith: Aman, oh…!
[2012/07/29 13:02] Tricipian Serendipity: i really liked this event °͜°
[2012/07/29 13:02] Sonitus Randt: enjoyed this shay, all very interesting
[2012/07/29 13:02] Shay Ellison: pretty words preceede pompous posturings? πŸ˜€
[2012/07/29 13:02] Bryce Galbraith: thanks for hosting Shay πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 13:02] RevRob Beerbaum: thanks so much, Shay!
[2012/07/29 13:02] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): “I am you and you are me and we are all together; I am the Walrus; I am the Egg man. Koo koo a choo”
[2012/07/29 13:02] Chraeloos: Thank you so much Shay!
[2012/07/29 13:02] Tuppence Aubin: thank you
[2012/07/29 13:02] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Applause!
[2012/07/29 13:03] MusE Starsmith: This was fantastic, really good job, Shay!
[2012/07/29 13:03] Zymony Guyot: For me the takeaway is that even though I consider myself a conscious human with my own thoughts and self-awareness….I might still be a tiny molecule in a greater organism that I cannot comprehend….for now I’m calling it “God” but “Working Title” could be just as suitable….and that my quest for spirituality is the gradual understanding of what playing this part means….
[2012/07/29 13:03] Barbie (barbiedoll.somerset): I’m bitter because everyone here seems so much more informed on the topic than am I πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 13:03] Chraeloos: lol Rhi, love it
[2012/07/29 13:03] Tuppence Aubin: More applause
[2012/07/29 13:03] Arabella Eyre (nitewater): And all you need is love?
[2012/07/29 13:03] Shay Ellison: thanks for sharing your views and finding our beliefs are possibly different takes on a shared ideal
[2012/07/29 13:03] MusE Starsmith: LIke that, Zymony
[2012/07/29 13:03] Tricipian Serendipity: open stage discussions! (new event???)
[2012/07/29 13:03] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): Arabella, exactly
[2012/07/29 13:03] Zymony Guyot: Yes Shay, wonderful discussion!!!
[2012/07/29 13:03] RevRob Beerbaum: Zymony – interesting!
[2012/07/29 13:03] Chraeloos: Zym, agreed!
[2012/07/29 13:03] Lulu Lacrima: Shay, terrific job!
[2012/07/29 13:03] Rhiannon of the Birds (rhiannon.dragoone): It was a smashing success, Paul, so I’d say, yes
[2012/07/29 13:03] MusE Starsmith: * * clap clap clap * *
[2012/07/29 13:03] Tricipian Serendipity: maybe our beliefds are not all that different
[2012/07/29 13:03] Dom Lunasea: Poets priests and politicians
Have words to thank for their positions
Words that scream for your submission
And no-one’s jamming their transmission
‘Cos when their eloquence escapes you
Their logic ties you up and rapes you
[2012/07/29 13:03] Shay Ellison: that was the title of John Donne’s poem actually, Love
[2012/07/29 13:03] Tricipian Serendipity: if they stem from the same star stuff must be something common there °͜°
[2012/07/29 13:03] Amandeep Timeless: 1/7 billionth God
[2012/07/29 13:04] Zymony Guyot: PRobably not Tri….we like like killing each other over a working title πŸ™‚
[2012/07/29 13:04] Shay Ellison: another definition for love, as if we didn’t have too many already πŸ˜‰
[2012/07/29 13:04] Shay Ellison: the all inclusive definitions of love are my favorite

An interesting idea…I couldn’t have said it better my self. It’s sad that we do this, and I really have to wonder what type of force it would take to change things. Hopefully not WWIII

Another angry woman

β€œAll those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.”

A little over a year ago, there was a feeling of momentum within what can loosely be termed as β€œthe protest movement”. It was global, it seemed. The winds were blowing in our favour, and perhaps the underdog would finally have its day.

As we marched through London, we expressed this sentiment with a chant:

London, Cairo, Wisconsin! We will fight them, we will win!

At the time, we looked gladly towards our friends in far-flung countries. We allowed hope to rise in our hearts over the seeming revolution in Egypt, having watched the people struggle to overthrow aΒ tyrannical government andΒ succeed.Β We felt joy as we watched protesters occupy the Wisconsin State Capitol, thousands of people in a mass mobilisation against right-wing economic policy.

We felt solidarity. If we channelled Cairo and Wisconsin…

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